In 9 days, at the Liberal Leadership Convention in Montreal, members will be voting on a One Member One Vote Amendment to the selection of leaders of Party. The downside of this is that youth will no longer be given a special consideration as an underrepresented demographic in liberal politics.

Here are the details: http://www.ylc-jlc.ca/news_e.aspx?type=news&id=12050
 

What are your thoughts?

 

Lily 

 

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Well, one member one vote is by far the fairest way to do things - if it's done as part of a ballot of all the members of the Party. Looking at the general system proposed, I think it would probably be an improvement for the Liberal Party for each riding to have equal weight - so as to increase the power of the eastern provincs, in the hope that moderate candidates acceptable to both "halves" of canada would tend to be elected - which would be undermined if the YLC were to keep a large number of federally appointed delegations.

However in your case, I think there is a case for having over-representation of the youth wing, given that it is a Liberal Party tradition and I dare say it contributes to your huge membership, which puts every other young liberal organisation to shame. If you can reasonably argue for that 25% youth ballot box proposal, by all means do so - I just hope that you dont come across hostility from riding associations, which in my experience tend to fiercely guard their independence, who might perhaps resent a system of constituency quotas more than the current federally-administered system.

It is an interesting debate. As party organizations are usually very different from one country to the other, I feel it is difficult to give a considered opinion on the LPC/YLC situation, but we can indeed learn from each other in order to find ways to give young people a stronger voice in our respective parties.

In our case, the party president, which is the most important figure during elections, is elected through a one member one vote system. This is considered to be the most fair. As the youth organization, we only give an advice through a press release and encourage our members to vote. Since so far, we have had elections with only one serious candidate for party president, this has not given rise to a lot of problem. Generally, the members of our party are quite young, so we do not really have a problem where we are face with an old, conservative base.

More important to party politics in Belgium is the way through which the party lists are made. Since we use PR, it is very important to get a high place on the list in order to get elected. Since this is decided on the national level, the party bureau has quite a lot of influence there. The party bureau has almost 30 members, of which 5 are the elected party positions (president, vice-presidents, treasurer,...), 5 are appointed by the MPs, 12 are appointed by the party council (almost 130 members) and 2 are appointed by the youth organization.

In addition, we have quotas: at least one quarter of the party bureau (and also the party council) should be of the least represented sex and at least one quarter should be younger than 30. So, as a youth organization, we are very well represented: we can appoint our members directly, but we can also get people elected to the party bureau through the system of quotas. They are not elected separately by the youth organization, but along with other candidates by all members. It happens frequently that young people top the vote anyways.

The most important dilemma for youth organizations is indeed if they want to directly influence their party through a statutory representation, or if they want to use other means to ensure that young people are being heard (i.e. being present at party congresses and trying to gain support there). This is closely linked to the topic of independence. I know that Jonge Democraten (NL) and Jong VLD (B) do not want to be represented in their party bureaus because of this, but nevertheless, they are usually quite successful in gaining access to high positions.

I'd very much like to hear experiences of other organizations on this topic.
 

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Thomas Leys
IFLRY President

Perhaps...

 

Liberalism specifically precludes the discrimination against any person (or any member of a party) on the basis of that person's age. therefore no person shall be disadvantaged because they are young nor shall any older person be disadvantaged becasue they are no longer young. it follows therefore that no Liberal Party should ever have a youth wing or a Youth Party within the the broader party.

 

while this may seem to contradict all of our soapboxing for IFLRY and the MO's, the fact is that,a child under the age of 12 years old, with just 1 month's training, can be a very effective election campaigner. however if all chidlren and youth in a party are herded into a youth wing, what tends to happen is that the party goes to the youth wing for "photo ops" and "core constituency-based on-message moments" ie. the oldies use the kids to make them look "in touch" with the future.

 

this is seen in the brazen stupidity of older people towards microelectronics and computers where they pratonisingly declare that the "thumb generation" alone understands these new fangled toys - and that they prefer the simplicity of their abacuses. it is seen in the convenient abbrogation of electoral duty on the part of the oldies in demanding that youth wings contest student and youth council elections - in most instances without the requisite resources - and demand that the youth wing variously bring in the "youth vote" and more specifically the "youth labour" during general elections.

 

more a containment cell than a development tank - youth wings have an inability to make demands upon the party simply because by their very nature they are a PR or marketing extension of the party proper. it is ludicrous to assume that a Women's Wing or a Youth Wing will actually be able to leverage influence and control over a party - by sheer dint of their existence - whereas any political party as run by women or youth would be able to assert a far greater level of legitimate influence as a constituent lobby group.

 

And so in response to the canadians conundrum... It doesnt matter... simple

 

it doesnt matter if you vote 1 person 1 vote, or if every youth member get 2 votes each or if each regional youth bloc gets a whole bushel of free votes each - it doesnt matter - instead show me a liberal party where 50% of the members are under the age of 35 - and i will show you a party that doesnt need to tweak the distribution of votes in order to get a politically correct or actively affirmative or gender empowerative or youth developmental result.

 

deal with the issues... if young canadians want power - tell them to join the Liberal Party as normal members. tell them that CORRUPTION is not liberal... tell them that a youth wing is fun and everything but that there is a limit to to fishbowl like dimensions of student and youth politics... but most importantly - tell them to take over the Liberal Party by ensuring that more than 50% of the members are under the age of 35... then, it wont matter what nefarious trinket is being wheeled out to "keep the kids quiet", because you'll be in control.

 

Surely that's what liberalism is about? not so much "seperate and equal" but rather "inclusive and equal"? Just a Thought! ;)

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Avishkar Govender

eThekwini-Durban
KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
SADC - AU

Hey !

 It's unfortunate that the youth are no longer given a special consideration but it's good that we have Stephon Dion as our new liberal leader  in canada because he as a person and politician honestly cares about the youth and youth issues

it is ludicrous to assume that a Women's Wing or a Youth Wing will actually be able to leverage influence and control over a party - by sheer dint of their existence - whereas any political party as run by women or youth would be able to assert a far greater level of legitimate influence as a constituent lobby group.

 

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