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Global Minimum Wage

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  •  12-23-2006, 14:29 493

    Global Minimum Wage

    Dear all,

    Should the ILO implement a global minimum wage rate, so that clothing workers in China get paid the same as their colleagues in Africa, Europe and the Americas?


    Avishkar Govender

    eThekwini-Durban
    KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
    SADC - AU
  •  01-08-2007, 16:24 555 in reply to 493

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    Apart from the basic liberal position against minimum wage and against "labour cartels" and the fixing of prices within labour markets; there is, i believe, a strong liberal position in favour of minimum wage; where this minimum wage is specifically designed to improve over the short term the working conditions of workers, over the medium term the remuneration of workers and over the medium to long term the living conditions of workers.

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    In the Chinese example it would work on the basis that American and European firms, who are currently exporting manufacturing orders to China, would retain some of their manufacturing work within their own countries or free trade zones and that this would stem the tide of unemployment in these economies.

    However European and American firms have fallen into a groove over the last 10 years of only outsourcing old tech manufacturing jobs to China, so that Chinese firms which eventually end up copying EuroAmerican machine designs, are producing machines that are 20 years old in design.

    As a result of this, and of the fact that the factories at "home" are geared toward new tech manufacturing, there will still be a large amount of old tech work sent to China. This work will be costed out based on the global minimum wage, and therefore be higher than the current cost.

    But since Chinese workers are disempowered, this globa minimum wage will only benefit the factory bosses (in the short term). they will charge out at the higher GMW rate, without paying their staff more; and they will retain their respective domestic competitiveness by discounting off the higher GMW rate.

    In the beginning, the factory bosses get paid more. in the short term the factory bosses will use the extra profits to boost worker productivity through better working conditions. however eventually the workers in China will realise that the factory bosses are charging out more than they are paying and will naturally demand more money. this will set in motion labour unrest in China that will see the wage rate in China rise from where it is now to the GMW rate. with this will come better living conditions and the foundations for a labour rights culture.

    For the Brand Owning firms, there will be an increase in production costs and a fall in their gross profits... but since a pair of Cross Trainers cost $2 (labour) + $4 (materials) [=$6] to make in China; yet sell for $100... it doesnt really matter.... even if the inpust cost doubles, the brand owners still make superhuge profits.

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    Oh, and if the ILO does this, chances are that the Chinese economy might slow the amount of goods exported from China, which would reduce the amount of shipping through Singapore. and since Singapore is an economy built on Shipping and Middle-Manning - there could very well be a recession in Singapore, which would stimulate a much larger amount of public outcry for economic and social reform.

    and if there are conservatives living in abject poverty in Singapore, the govt of Singapore wont be able to ignore them... or charge them... or jail them... in fact Singapore may just have to develop a culture of public debate to deal with all the unemployed Singaporean Mandarins, who had hitherto supported the govt...


    Avishkar Govender

    eThekwini-Durban
    KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
    SADC - AU
  •  01-09-2007, 21:46 562 in reply to 555

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    I'm not sure on this really; there are arguments on both sides. On one hand, I agree that it is crucial for people to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life, and while international human rights instruments do already provide a right to a fair wage, nationally-set minimum wages can in some circumstances help to alleviate poverty.

    However on the other hand, I'm concerned that a lot of those who push for an international minimum wage do so out for protectionist motives; I in particular have seen it toted around by the left of the US Democrats as a way to stop "outsourcing" - which is probably not of benefit to the developing world.

    If it is done it would have to be I think at a sensible level - perhaps based on "purchasing power parity" or something similar - so as to provide a basic income without unduly discouraging investment into developing countries. However, I'd suggest a more immediate concern would be enforcing the minimum wage laws that are already in force - which are allegedly breached by a number of TNCs.

    Perhaps these are areas where the significant economic clout of the US and the EU could be brought to bear, to encourage importers to show compliance with basic labour standards?

  •  01-11-2007, 16:46 566 in reply to 562

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    theres no way to enforce a minimum wage rate.

    contract workers, casualised workers, co-operatives and home industries are all ways out of minimum wage restrictions, for entrepreneurs.

    a global minimum wage rate - or should i say a Global RECOMMENDED Minimum Wage Rate... will simply serve to encourage the "outsourcing" of labour to nearby zones to save on Transport costs... ie. work from N.America goes to S.America not E.Asia.

    The fact is that in all 3rd world countries, labour rights are non-existant, particulary in manufacturing... margins in 3rd world manufacturing are incredibly tight - so theres never extra money to improve working conditions or pay higher wages. this GRMW Rate will give the factory bosses some "fat" to be able to do these things, on their accord.

    purchasing power parity is nice when you're trying to work out whether a Big McMeal is properly priced, however outside of Ronald land PPP tends to screw locals bcos they end up buying their own raw materials at international prices - instead of benefitting from the comparative advantage of abundant (and therefore cheap) natural resources.

    the actual GRMWR must be somewhere in the middle. the US has a MWR of $4 per hour, the UK has a MWR of $6 per hour... while China has a MWR of $0.20 per hour. So if the GRMWR is say $1 per hour, it wont affect the countries paying more than this, and all the countries paying less than this will have some room to increase wages without driving away customers, because no work will be outsourced to the 3rd world at less than $1 per hour.

    Consumer power... if consumers wont buy the products of slave labour, nobody will import or sell them and eventually nobody will make them. However imposing "Ethics and Mores" on wholesalers is like asking Captain Morgan to declare all of his ill gotten gains to the Crown, and the wholesalers will always see it as an added cost or an increased risk, so they're likely to jack up their prices and by extension to increase the inflation rate.


    Avishkar Govender

    eThekwini-Durban
    KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
    SADC - AU
  •  02-27-2010, 22:02 88024 in reply to 493

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    No, a global minimum wage rate would be insane for the obvious reason of geographic differences in prices. Even if the mininum wage rates were set geographically according to local relative price indices it would certainly stifle growth in the areas you are trying to help.

    The reason why the BRICs have prospered so well is because of free markets, installing minimum wages would undoubtedly hinder growth. These emerging markets are in their infancy, and therefore rely on new entrepreneurs far more that mature rich economies in the west do. New entrepreneurs will be greatly reduced by such prices fixes. Additionally, many/most emerging markets will have poor governments to begin with, implementing a minimum wage will certainly criple many of them. Furthermore, the minimum wage would cause a breakdown of these countries' most significant competitive advantage - labour costs. That all being said, once these economies are more matured and the basic standard of living has organically risen, I can completely understand implementing a minimum wage and many of the other social safety nets that we enjoy in the west.

  •  03-29-2010, 7:10 88087 in reply to 493

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  •  06-11-2010, 14:43 88195 in reply to 88087

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    A global minimum wage would be impossible. many of us dream of this, as it is good that people that belong on the 3rs country would have the same wage as for those people who live in a Big country such as EUROPE and in US but again this is very very much impossible and this is the reason why countries have their own currency rate. 

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  •  07-08-2010, 14:06 88393 in reply to 88195

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    The reason why the BRICs have prospered so well is because of free markets, installing minimum wages would undoubtedly hinder growth. These emerging markets are in their infancy, and therefore rely on new entrepreneurs far more that mature rich economies in the west do. New entrepreneurs will be greatly reduced by such prices fixes. Additionally, many/most emerging markets will have poor governments to begin with, implementing a minimum wage will certainly criple many of them. Furthermore, the minimum wage would cause a breakdown of these countries' most significant competitive advantage - labour costs. That all being said, once these economies are more matured and the basic standard of living has organically risen, I can completely understand implementing a minimum wage and many of the other social safety nets that we enjoy in the west.
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  •  07-11-2010, 14:08 88424 in reply to 88024

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    LuxmanS:

    No, a global minimum wage rate would be insane for the obvious reason of geographic differences in prices. Even if the mininum wage rates were set geographically according to local relative price indices it would certainly stifle growth in the areas you are trying to help.

     Totally agreed. There are some points that should be asked before answering if you are in favor or against that minimum wage:

    _ Do all people in the world [want to] consume the same things? Do they [want to] consume the same things?

    _ If yes, do they cost the same price all over the world? If not, does the basic consumed itens cost the same thing all over the world?

    _ Who would define that world minimum wage? Which organisation is good enough to creat a global standard?

    _ Would you accept in your country a standard made by other?

    Well... And to conclude my point: If, as liberals, we support the non-interventionist State, should we support a global interventist organisation?


    Sorry, my friends, but I don't think so. And, if you let me add my personal point of view, I am against of national minimum wages too.

    I am in favor of the equilibrium. And no one is better than the market to create it. It is not with intervention that we will solve the problems created by the interventionism.

     


    João Victor Guedes

    Juventude Democratas / Democrats Youth
    Minas Gerais, Brazil

    www.joaovictorguedes.com.br
  •  08-17-2010, 0:26 89369 in reply to 88424

    Re: Global Minimum Wage

    A Tolerant, Open Society that is founded on the principles of Compassion, Mutual Social Respect, The Universal Supremacy of Human Rights and a dedicated belief and practice of the Rule of Law will naturally create opportunities for people - by virtue of the fact that in such a system... everybody deserves a chance.

     

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  •  08-19-2010, 1:41 89415 in reply to 89369

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  •  09-06-2010, 9:15 89637 in reply to 88195

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